Session Start: Fri Aug 23 00:00:00 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [00:00] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[00:00] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[00:01]<Craig> Hey BC, they just need to add align="center" to their first table brackets
[00:01]<Craig> :P
[00:01]<Craig> hahahah The website is centered for me now. :P
[00:02]<Craig> Although the page looks to be standard html...?
[00:02]<@BC_Programming> as opposed to non-standard HTML?
[00:03]<Craig> hehe, I mean flat HTML not dynamic
[00:03]<@BC_Programming> "<p class=MsoNormal>" looks like it was made in frontpage or Word
[00:03]<Craig> Hahahahaha
[00:31] * AussieMan (Mibbit@mib-3DBDD460.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au) has joined #glitchpc
[00:32] * AussieMan (Mibbit@mib-3DBDD460.lnse4.lon.bigpond.net.au) has left #glitchpc
[01:33] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-8DAFB4EC.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[01:36] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1454D0D4.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[01:46] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (NickServ (GHOST command used by Zuwer_))
[01:46] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #glitchpc
[02:10] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1454D0D4.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[02:13] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1454D0D4.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[02:51] * PCdoc (PCdoc@C97160BA.F8E5A480.EE292452.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[03:52] * KindTwo (KindOne@mib-A1A3E9CD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[03:52] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1454D0D4.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[03:52] * KindTwo is now known as KindOne
[03:57] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-A1A3E9CD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[03:58] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[04:00] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-A1A3E9CD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[04:07] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #glitchpc
[04:12]<+camerongray> BC_Programming: Nice! Do you also have a fancy email signature :P
[04:46] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[04:51] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #glitchpc
[04:57] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-A1A3E9CD.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[05:01] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-C7AE26D.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[06:21] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[06:28] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-C7AE26D.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[06:31] * KindOne (KindOne@67EB115D.41483FCE.EDEF1E73.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[07:30] * Nat (nat@mib-921C62AC.socal.res.rr.com) Quit (Quit: zzzZZZzzzZZzzZZZzz)
[08:54] * Tanya (Mibbit@mib-C554203.dhcp.aldl.mi.charter.com) has joined #glitchpc
[08:54] * Tanya is now known as Kevin
[08:59]<@BC_Programming> heya peeps
[08:59]<PCdoc> hey
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> so from the looks of things since they hired me they've gone from behind schedule to 2 weeks ahead of schedule
[09:00]<@BC_Programming> the WO I'm working on has an estimated completion in Sept. and I don't think it'll take more than the rest of today for me to complete
[09:02]<+camerongray> Nice!
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> I thought it was behind also
[09:02]<@BC_Programming> because the est. Programming time is 8 hours, but I think that might be daily
[09:03]<@BC_Programming> managed to get the first report finished at least, gussying it up to look pretty and then I should be able to copy-paste to the other reports, since they use similar data
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> I also ended up rewriting that query from yesterday... we did manage to completely crash the postgres database with it though
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> Everybody was like "here, let me run it"
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> "hmm nope, ok let's run it on the server"
[09:04]<@BC_Programming> "oh 100% usage on all 16 cores, that seems rather bad"
[09:05]<+camerongray> lol!
[09:06]<+camerongray> We have one that does that, well it's a query that runs in a loop
[09:06]<+camerongray> But server is only dual core so super slow
[09:07]<+camerongray> We opened an office in London though so moving most of the stuff out to the datacenter, getting a nice dedicated development box :D
[09:08]<@BC_Programming> yeah I don't know what the query did
[09:09]<@BC_Programming> but we figured it must have been the query doing a X-join on about four of the largest tables in the database
[09:14]<@BC_Programming> Oh here is something else interesting, he was talking about how they wanted a sort of central updater they could run remotely, because right now all the customers need to upgrade the Windows version of the software manually
[09:15]<@BC_Programming> and a lot of them don't bother and then complain about things
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> for example here we had Taxes changed from GST and PST (Government and Provincial) to Harmonized Sales Tax (HST); it changed back a few months ago and there are still people complaining that they need GST/PST, even though that update was available the week it changed back!
[09:16]<@BC_Programming> I showed him my BASeCamp Updating Library- says that once we get around to the Update Project I'll probably be working on it and get a bonus because I got a head-start
[09:17]<+Tux2> :D
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> the UI was pretty much exactly the type of thing they are after
[09:17]<@BC_Programming> since it lists several components and that's what needs to be updated for the full software suite
[09:21]<+Tux2> cool
[09:25]<@BC_Programming> Quite
[09:26]<@BC_Programming> I'm sure many of the classes and code I've already written are going to start finding use all over the place
[09:39]<+Tux2> lol, right?
[09:39]<+Tux2> I found that out when I joined enjin
[09:39]<+Tux2> copy/paste all over!
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> I found they had a ListView, and I stapled in my GenericListViewSorter
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> little did I know they already had a ListViewSorter, but they implemented it by subclassing the listView
[09:40]<@BC_Programming> a battle of wills ensued between my class and the control ensued
[09:41]<+Tux2> lol, looking over the code for this one plugin I'm modifying, I found two if statements if(!shutdown) {//code}else {//more code} if(shutdown) {//code}else {//more code}
[09:41]<@BC_Programming> department of redundancy department
[09:41]<+Tux2> They were right after eachother, so I just combined them
[09:42]<+Tux2> lol, my reasoning. Why evaluate the expression twice in a row?
[09:42]<@BC_Programming> My ListViewSorter put up a good fight against the subclassed Control, but the subclassed control simply had more control so vetoed what my class was trying to do
[09:42]<+Tux2> lol, interesting BC_Programming
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> Mine is still better though... it uses Standard Ascending/Descending images for sorting and supports custom sorting on each column based on a Property or Field Lookup using Reflection to inspect the ListViewItem's tag properties
[09:43]<@BC_Programming> Their's is a bit of a kludge IMO...
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> Thing is the control is used everywhere in the massive project-at-large, so I don't want to change it since something will almost certainly break
[09:44]<@BC_Programming> I was able to at least use my ListView ZebraStriper though
[09:45]<+camerongray> Hey Tux2
[09:45]<+camerongray> You think your mainframe stuff is cool, pfft!
[09:45]<+camerongray> I'm debugging a "Dora the Explorer" app's analytics :P
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> oh...
[09:46]<@BC_Programming> I'm jelly
[09:46]<+camerongray> heheh
[09:46]<+camerongray> And it won't work :P
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> Hmm so I've done the complicated math and extrapolated through next week
[09:47]<+camerongray> Oh, just plugged headphones in to the testing machine, it has sound :D
[09:47]<@BC_Programming> and I've determined that my first paycheck may be around 2K
[09:47]<+camerongray> Sweet!
[09:48]<PCdoc> darn f*** recession
[09:48]<@BC_Programming> hmmm?
[09:49]<PCdoc> recession in our country .. no value to currency ,, value decreasing against USD
[09:49]<+camerongray> Right, time to stop playing the game and actually fix it :P
[09:50]<PCdoc> fix? the govt is fckin up everything
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: you were examining the game for usability concerns that could impact the accuracy and verifiability of your analytics tracker
[09:50]<+camerongray> PCdoc: Oh, I was referring to the app I'm testing :P
[09:50]<+camerongray> haha
[09:50]<PCdoc> camerongray: hahaha
[09:50]<+Tux2> lol camerongray
[09:50]<@BC_Programming> CDN is a bit below USD atm
[09:50]<PCdoc> steve balmer leaving MS
[09:50]<+camerongray> I found a flaw with the jigsaw bit - You just drag the piece around the screen and it automatically drops it into place when you move it over the correct spot
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> hovering around 1$ though
[09:51]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: That's a feature!
[09:51]<+camerongray> haha
[09:51]<+camerongray> I don't get it, it should be sending data - It logs to the file like it's firing the tracking, but nothing goes over the network!
[09:52]<PCdoc> our indian rupee usually at normal was Rs. (indian rupees) 50 for 1 USD has risen to Rs.65 / USD
[09:52]<PCdoc> and GBP was 83 at normal, has gone above 100
[09:53]<+camerongray> ouch
[09:53]<+camerongray> It should just work!
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> I just realized
[10:00]<@BC_Programming> I could totally upgrade my site to a VPS now
[10:01]<@BC_Programming> dedi would be 99/mo, is that good?
[10:02]<+camerongray> Where from?
[10:02]<+camerongray> Datashack.net is where I am, super cheap!
[10:02]<+camerongray> But I'm colocated with them
[10:02]<@BC_Programming> securesignup/ifastnet, I'm looking at the hosting for who I'm currently using
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> Because upgrading would probably be easiest that way
[10:03]<+camerongray> Hmm, with a dedi you would have to migrate anyway
[10:03]<@BC_Programming> I cannot even create a full-site back-up with my current plan because it's gone beyond some limit
[10:03]<+camerongray> I used to have one of these before I colocated my own - Really nice for the price: https://www.datashack.net/cart/?id=181
[10:03]<+camerongray> Just throw a second disk in for RAID
[10:03]<+camerongray> It's an HP blade server
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> now let me cost out 16GB of DDR2
[10:04]<+camerongray> Ahh
[10:04]<@BC_Programming> 411 dollars holy cow
[10:04]<+camerongray> Then check out these (In Europe though) http://www.ovh.co.uk/dedicated_servers/kimsufi.xml
[10:04]<+camerongray> But so cheap!
[10:05]<@BC_Programming> DDR2 is almost four times as expensive as DDR3, that makes me sad
[10:05]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:05]<+camerongray> Oh, for your machine
[10:05]<+camerongray> Datashack have loads of others too: They have
[10:05]<+camerongray> balls!
[10:06]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[10:06]<+camerongray> https://www.datashack.net/dedicated/
[10:08]<+camerongray> Dedicated is great to play with
[10:08]<+camerongray> But you may be fine with a VPS
[10:08]<+camerongray> Keep an eye out here for some great deals: http://lowendbox.com/
[10:09]<+camerongray> Linode are great
[10:09]<@BC_Programming> so mem upgradeis probably off the table, could practically build a new machine for the cost of 16GB RAM
[10:09]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:09]<@BC_Programming> not that I'm exactly pushing the sinews of 8GB anyway... I just want to max it out for no good reason
[10:10]<+camerongray> I'd sell your current one and build something really nice
[10:10]<+camerongray> Or like save the money :P
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> Could do that as well
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> Probably will, even if I tried doubt I could spend it all
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> unless I did something really dumb
[10:10]<@BC_Programming> like buying 16GB of Memory
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> I rather like the 'problem' of having too much memory rather than the contrary lol
[10:11]<@BC_Programming> memory=money
[10:11]<+camerongray> lol yeah
[10:12]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[10:12]<PCdoc> gotta shut down and go home .. cyz tomorrow
[10:12]<@BC_Programming> could get a new laptop, that might actually make some sense, since my laptop is older than my desktop
[10:12]<PCdoc> cya *
[10:12] * PCdoc (PCdoc@C97160BA.F8E5A480.EE292452.IP) has left #glitchpc (Leaving)
[10:13]<@BC_Programming> the advantage of laptops is of course that they need far less space heh
[10:14]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> Oh any recommendations for Monitors? Mine is really old and if I'm going to be staring at a monitor as part of my awesome job it should be an awesome monitor
[10:14]<@BC_Programming> Manufactured: january 2008
[10:15]<+camerongray> I have a pair of ThinkVision l220x - Tricky to get but really nice
[10:15]<@BC_Programming> mine also only has VGA... 1440x900 it works but if I can do it I'm going bigger/better
[10:15]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[10:16]<+camerongray> What about those cheap ebay IPS ones
[10:16]<+Tux2> BC_Programming: Use RamNode if you want a VPS. I host with them, and they work great. https://clientarea.ramnode.com/aff.php?aff=009
[10:16]<+camerongray> 27", 2560x1440 and same IPS panel as an Apple thunderbolt display
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> Tux2: and that link has reminded me of something else I don't have
[10:16]<@BC_Programming> Never had an SSD
[10:16]<+Tux2> :D RamNode only sells the best
[10:17]<+camerongray> Oh, get one!
[10:17]<+camerongray> SSDs are so good!
[10:17]<+Tux2> lol, I'd love a 500GB SSD, but they're just so expensive
[10:17]<+camerongray> My biggest is 250gb
[10:18]<@BC_Programming> 250GB looks to go for around 200$
[10:18]<+camerongray> Hmm, about right
[10:18]<+camerongray> Samsung 840 Pro is great
[10:18]<@BC_Programming> OCZ Agility 3 480GB is 279.97
[10:19]<@BC_Programming> extra 200GB for around 80$ heh, not bad
[10:21]<@BC_Programming> New keyboard seems reasonable given that I've managed to move programming from Hobby to full time job... still so stoked about that budget Wired 500 has served me well but seems overdue for an upgrade
[10:23]<@BC_Programming> who are teh guys that sell mechanical keyboards these days? you did a video on one of their keyboards I recall camerongray
[10:23]<+camerongray> Filco made the one I did my video on
[10:24]<+camerongray> I bought it from keyboardco.com
[10:24]<+camerongray> They are UK based but ship worldwide
[10:24]<@BC_Programming> thx
[10:24]<+camerongray> These are good though: http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/
[10:24]<+camerongray> Oh yeah, is Canada ISO or ANSI?
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> I don't know? As in scan codes?
[10:25]<@BC_Programming> I think ANSI though
[10:26]<@BC_Programming> lol all I can find on most online stores are "gaming" keyboards
[10:26]<+Tux2> lol
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> I'll probably go with wasdkeyboards, very customizable
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> I have no idea what the different colours for switches mean though...
[10:31]<@BC_Programming> or is it literally cosmetic
[10:33]<+camerongray> The colours feel different
[10:33]<+camerongray> Blue is the really clicky loud one
[10:33]<+camerongray> Browns are tactile but not as loud
[10:33]<+camerongray> Red is completely linear (Can't feel actuation point)
[10:33]<+camerongray> Black is like red but heavier to press
[10:33]<@BC_Programming> so red is not clicky?
[10:33]<+camerongray> Correct
[10:34]<+camerongray> Red and black for gaming only - Brown and blue are good for gaming and typing
[10:34]<+camerongray> Blue is better for typing, brown is better for gaming
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> Sounds like I'm a brown
[10:34]<+camerongray> Cool
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> mostly for noise
[10:34]<+camerongray> Ahh yeah
[10:34]<@BC_Programming> or maybe I'll get a Blue anyway
[10:34]<+camerongray> You'll need to learn not to "Bottom out" - That is press the key all the way down as that still makes a noise
[10:35]<@BC_Programming> yeah I'm thinking blue... super-clicky loud keyboard just because
[10:35]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[10:35]<+camerongray> Or a buckling spring
[10:36]<@BC_Programming> I like that you can even customize the key colours
[10:36]<+camerongray> Yeah
[10:36]<@BC_Programming> would have liked more subtle colour variations though
[10:36]<@BC_Programming> I guess that's possible using the manual designer thing
[10:37]<@BC_Programming> was thinking every key would be very close to black, but modifier/F/Esc and arrow keys could have different colours, such as very dark green/red/etc
[10:38]<@BC_Programming> ideally would want to avoid the keyboard looking like it fell off a circus truck
[10:39]<@BC_Programming> oh what is Cherry MX Clear?
[10:50]<+camerongray> get a red escape, makes you type 20% faster
[10:53]<+camerongray> like brown but stiffer and more tactile
[10:56]<@BC_Programming> wait why would a red escape make you type faster :/
[10:56]<+camerongray> doesn't click as shaply though
[10:56]<+camerongray> lol, was kidding, but red escapes are awesome
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> shame there weren't more colours too choose from
[10:57]<@BC_Programming> or even a completely custom colour choice, haha
[10:57]<+camerongray> does your return key span one or two rows?
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> one row
[10:58]<@BC_Programming> and it's called Enter
[10:58]<+camerongray> ahh, that's ANSI then
[10:59]<@BC_Programming> http://im1.ybndc.com/upload/164695/Product634788299849572000.jpg
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> My Windows keys are Win XP styled but other than that that is pretty much the keyboard I am typing this on
[11:00]<+camerongray> lol
[11:00]<+camerongray> Then you are fine with WASD
[11:00]<+camerongray> Can't get one myself as we are ISO here and the enter key would drive me mad
[11:00]<@BC_Programming> Oh and I have a few media keys at the top that aren't in that pic for some reason
[11:02] * Calum (Mibbit@mib-679AD198.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #glitchpc
[11:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +a
[11:02] * ChanServ sets mode: +o Calum
[11:03]<+camerongray> hey Calum
[11:04]<@Calum> hey camerongray
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> hey Calum
[11:04]<@Calum> hey BC_Programming
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> don't tkae that tone
[11:04]<@BC_Programming> lol
[11:04]<@Calum> sorry ChanbotVII
[11:04]<@Calum> nearly missed you out there
[11:05]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming, what would be cool is to make an MLP themed keyboard
[11:05]<@BC_Programming> lol
[11:06]<+camerongray> hahaha!
[11:07]<@BC_Programming> http://www.wasdkeyboards.com/designer/index.php?action=main&model=model-104&case=v2&name=KBD_1377277403275
[11:08] * jacky (the_kink@mib-7B305BF7.slsbmd.east.verizon.net) has joined #glitchpc
[11:08] * ChanServ sets mode: +q
[11:08] * ChanServ sets mode: +o jacky
[11:08] * ChanServ sets mode: -q
[11:09]<+camerongray> lol, nice and pink
[11:09]<+camerongray> hey jacky
[11:09]<@jacky> camerongray: Hello
[11:10]<@jacky> ( I was first ... ... ahead of nobody... )
[11:10]<@jacky> heh
[11:10]<@Calum> jacky: good evening (afternoon)
[11:10]<+camerongray> haha
[11:10]<@jacky> good afternoon (evening)
[11:10]<@jacky> hehe
[11:11]<@jacky> Calum: I forget... where are you again? the town's name?
[11:11]<@Calum> Derby
[11:11] * KindOne (KindOne@67EB115D.41483FCE.EDEF1E73.IP) Quit (Ping timeout)
[11:11]<@jacky> !time derby UK
[11:11]<@jacky> hah!
[11:11]<@jacky> :)
[11:12]<@Calum> did I get it the wrong way round?
[11:12]<@jacky> nah..
[11:12]<@jacky> just playing with new toy
[11:12]<@jacky> hehehehe
[11:12]<@Calum> ah cool heh
[11:12]<@jacky> !time Washington D.C.
[11:13]<@jacky> !time vancouver, BC
[11:15] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-85F1BD61.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[11:21]<@BC_Programming> Jacky: Nice work!
[11:22]<@jacky> the time thing?
[11:22]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[11:22]<@jacky> I cannot a lie
[11:22]<@jacky> I upgraded the script
[11:22]<@jacky> woo-hoo, huh?
[11:22]<@jacky> hehehehe
[11:23]<@jacky> now if we had somebody here.. you know... a paid pro... that can do java, php, C#, and just about everything else... THEN we might get some really cool stuff to add
[11:23]<@jacky> >g<
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> hahaha
[11:23]<@BC_Programming> yeah if only
[11:24]<@jacky> what language is "hahaha"
[11:24]<@jacky> something new?
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> it's based off of Laff
[11:24]<@jacky> ah. I bet Street was the founder
[11:24]<@BC_Programming> LAFF being of course "Language for Advocates of Funny Folks"
[11:25]<@jacky> stop.. you don't have time for this anymore
[11:25]<@jacky> heheheeh
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> but I do
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> turns out
[11:29]<@BC_Programming> that it seems the company has gone from behind schedule to 2 weeks ahead of schedule because of what I've contributed so far
[11:30]<@jacky> that will become the new standard
[11:33]<@BC_Programming> I thought I was behind, because the WO I was working on had an estimated time of around 9 hours and I had put 10-12 into it
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> but the estimated completion was in september so I think it must mean something else
[11:34]<@BC_Programming> like per-day estimate or something
[11:34]<@jacky> they have a technical term for that : typo
[11:34]<@jacky> heh
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> could be
[11:35]<+Tux2> lol
[11:35]<+camerongray> Found an alternative to "Finding a needle in a haystack" - "Finding a keyboard key in a giant box of packing peanuts"
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> I still feel bad for some reason, since I keep working on stuff for hours into the night... ranking up the hours
[11:35]<+Tux2> lol, just don't burn yourself out BC_Programming
[11:35]<@BC_Programming> but the thing is, I don't really want to claim those hours, because I mean for all they know I'm making them up
[11:35]<+camerongray> I may or may not now have another Model M
[11:36]<@jacky> Tux2: I agree with that statement
[11:36]<+camerongray> And that may or may not include a broken IBM XT
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> Well, between Monday Morning and Wednesday Night I slept 2 hours
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> Not because I was busy, or had to do things
[11:36]<@BC_Programming> but because the fact that there was still stuff to do bothered me
[11:37]<@jacky> I'm reminded of a Roman Candle
[11:37]<@jacky> burns real bright... for a little while
[11:37]<@jacky> then burns out
[11:37]<@jacky> 
[11:37]<@jacky> be careful
[11:37]<@Calum> camerongray: you're worse than me
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> if I was gonna burnout, it would have happened with my other projects though :P
[11:37]<@BC_Programming> I did the same thing for a lot of them
[11:38]<@jacky> ok
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> the nice thing is
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> now it's not an individual effort
[11:38] * @jacky is a nice thing
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> part of a team
[11:38]<+camerongray> Calum: lol
[11:38]<@BC_Programming> That is also sorta why I want to be careful... I can see a lot of room for improving the sourcecode but I don't want to alienate anybody :/
[11:39]<@jacky> BC_Programming: improve it in your SPARE time
[11:39]<@jacky> just hang onto it, for a rainy day
[11:39]<@jacky> hehe
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> maybe I should get some sort of clock app so I can actually track how much time I work
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> if only I had an application that tracked work
[11:40]<@BC_Programming> like a JobClock application
[11:41]<+camerongray> Woo! Found the shift key!
[11:41]<+camerongray> But in the process got a cardboard cut and threw packing peanuts all over the room
[11:42] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-85F1BD61.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[11:43]<@jacky> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OL3MevL5Vu4 I'm up to part 7
[11:43]<@jacky> :)
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> haha
[11:44]<@BC_Programming> I'm using my own JobClock Application and am going to use it to clock in and clock out lol
[11:44]<@jacky> never trust the guy that programs the clock
[11:45] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-4EA4BB09.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> no I mean I'm using it for myself
[11:45]<@BC_Programming> I think they'd pretty much be fine with any amount I put on the timesheet
[11:45]<@jacky> see?
[11:45]<@jacky> hehe
[11:46]<@BC_Programming> but I don't want to accidentally put more or something... I want to remain honest you see
[11:48]<@jacky> 
[11:48]<@jacky> see you all later...
[11:48]<@BC_Programming> hmm me from a year ago has impressed me now with my own program
[11:49]<@jacky> 
[11:49] * jacky (the_kink@mib-7B305BF7.slsbmd.east.verizon.net) has left #glitchpc
[11:49]<+Tux2> lol BC_Programming
[11:49]<+Tux2> and here I am still making plugins for kids
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> The admin applet still works perfectly
[11:50]<@BC_Programming> well except I cannot delete the test orders I made a year ago for some reason
[11:51]<@BC_Programming> but I was able to make a new one and create a user for myself and can now clock in and out using the client, with ease :D
[11:51]<+Tux2> :)
[11:51]<+Tux2> I use timedoctor
[11:51] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-4EA4BB09.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[11:54] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-4EA4BB09.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[12:02] * Calum (Mibbit@mib-679AD198.cable.virginmedia.com) Quit (Quit: http://www.mibbit.com ajax IRC Client)
[12:20] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-4EA4BB09.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[12:24] * KindOne (KindOne@E8C08EF8.374C603D.90984A5.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[13:21] * KindOne (KindOne@E8C08EF8.374C603D.90984A5.IP) Quit (Ping timeout)
[13:25] * KindOne (KindOne@E8C08EF8.374C603D.90984A5.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[13:57] * KindOne (KindOne@E8C08EF8.374C603D.90984A5.IP) Quit (Ping timeout)
[13:58] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-B95A680F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[14:03] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-B95A680F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[14:06] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-B95A680F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[14:47] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-B95A680F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[14:49] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-F857DAE2.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[15:03] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-F857DAE2.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[15:06] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-646D453F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[15:26] * Zuwer (Mibbit@mib-9196E61D.jetstream.xtra.co.nz) has joined #glitchpc
[15:30] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-646D453F.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[15:32] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1A608D81.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[16:55] * baconbuttie (Mibbit@mib-48F6FC4B.cable.virginmedia.com) has joined #glitchpc
[16:56]<+Tux2> lol
[16:56]<baconbuttie> i always stay longer :D
[17:01] * ZacPa (ZacPa@6D57703.186B0251.F0996750.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[17:01]<ZacPa> Tired of niggers? Sick of their monkeyshines? We are too! Join Chimpout Forum! http://bit.ly/t8yShI At Chimpout, we are NOT white supremacists! I myself am a Mexican! Basically, if you are NOT a nigger and you hate NIGGERS, we welcome you with open arms! Join Chimpout Forum today! http://bit.ly/t8yShI
[17:02] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-1A608D81.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:02]<+Tux2> bc!
[17:02]<+Tux2> BC_Programming:
[17:03]<baconbuttie> that scum have been spamming for the past few days
[17:04] * KindOne (KindOne@F68A6321.519DD625.90984A5.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[17:06] * baconbuttie (Mibbit@mib-48F6FC4B.cable.virginmedia.com) has left #glitchpc
[17:07] * BC_Programming sets mode: +b *!*@6D57703.186B0251.F0996750.IP
[17:07] * ZacPa was kicked by BC_Programming (go away)
[17:07]<@BC_Programming> I didn't have time to come up with a clever kick reason
[17:15]<jamer> O.o
[17:17]<+camerongray> Yeah :P
[17:17]<+camerongray> They have been doing that
[17:18]<jamer> Stupid wrist is acting up
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> Hmm
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> I really don't like reading their codebase
[17:18]<@BC_Programming> Parts of it are very well done and I've noticed a pattern in the commit history of who is writing to good and who is writing the... less good
[17:35] * Tux2 (Tux2@mib-817073A8.hlrn.qwest.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:55] * KindOne (KindOne@F68A6321.519DD625.90984A5.IP) Quit (Ping timeout)
[17:56]<Craig> Hey BC, how goes it?
[17:57]<@BC_Programming> good
[17:57]<Craig> Bahahahahaha, Nice about the code analasys, :P
[17:57]<Craig> Analysis?
[17:57]<@BC_Programming> I wasn't talking about myself of course
[17:57]<Craig> hmmm dang it I need spell check :P
[17:57]<Craig> hahahaha
[17:58]<@BC_Programming> I think one of the devs is the THEOS BASIC guy, but he sometimes commits C# code
[17:58]<@BC_Programming> and let's say that it's written in a very BASIC way...
[17:58] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-DC8E3384.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[17:58]<Craig> hahahahaha Yeah thats what happens when a guy who doesnt update his standards writes code. :p
[17:58]<Craig> I would probably write it in a VERY basic way :P
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> well he has had to maintain the BASIC codebase
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> only inevitable the patterns would leak out
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> I was "mean"
[17:59]<Craig> :P
[17:59]<@BC_Programming> there was this massive function
[18:00]<Craig> did you shorten it?
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> it had to have taken forever... included loops all over
[18:00]<Craig> :P
[18:00]<Craig> WOW
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> was a good two pages
[18:00]<Craig> If then do looks?
[18:00]<Craig> loops(
[18:00]<Craig> *
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> I changed it into a single like linq
[18:00]<Craig> ...
[18:00]<Craig> hahahaha Nice
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> it was actually tokenizing a string
[18:00]<Craig> You should have been hired as the optimizer :P
[18:00]<@BC_Programming> using a state machine...
[18:00]<Craig> Not fully sure what that means,
[18:01]<Craig> Is that feed back from a sub program?
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> it's when you have a function that keeps track of information between calls more or less
[18:01]<Craig> Ah, right I know what that is! :)
[18:01]<@BC_Programming> in this case it's a function that you pass a string, and a dividing element and it will return the next token up to that point
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> for example if we have the string "funny=bear,possum"
[18:02]<Craig> right
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> and call nexttoken(var,"=")
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> it would give us "funny"
[18:02]<Craig> ok
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> but since the function keeps track of it's position, if we call it again, it would give us bear,possum
[18:02]<@BC_Programming> and if we call it again and pass in "," instead, it would give "bear"
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> My problem with this is that it's COMPLETELY thread unsafe
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> if there are multiple threads trying to use the tokenizer- you're in a pickle
[18:03]<Craig> Because its unreliable feedback?
[18:03]<Craig> meaning you could get one of three answers?
[18:03]<@BC_Programming> well because the function records some stateful data, if two threads try to use it they will be changing that
[18:03]<Craig> Right,
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> so if we had another thread trying to use it when the above was tokenizing, it would change the recorded last position, so you'd get strange results
[18:04]<Craig> They might change bear, and thus change what another function is doing with funny, right?
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> well let's say we have a tokenizer that is tokenizing on equals
[18:04]<Craig> K
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> and we have "weasel=bear=tweaker=gah"
[18:04]<@BC_Programming> normally, you'd just end up with weasel,bear,tweaker, and gah as you tokenize
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> but that's because the tokenizing function is storing the previous equals sign position
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> so let's say another thread calls the tokenizer after the first one get's weasel
[18:05]<Craig> Right
[18:05]<Craig> they would get bear
[18:05]<@BC_Programming> say it tokenizes "gorilla eaters, chuck, I ran out of funny names" and does so on a comma
[18:06]<Craig> Oh sorry
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> so that thread call will get "gorilla eaters" as the string
[18:06]<Craig> right
[18:06] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-DC8E3384.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) Quit (Ping timeout)
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> but, the tokenizer will also update the last position to the location of the comma
[18:06]<Craig> because its before the first comma
[18:06]<Craig> so then it would be chuckl
[18:06]<Craig> without the l. :P
[18:06]<@BC_Programming> so now when the first one calls it again, it will think it was at position 14
[18:07]<Craig> right
[18:07]<@BC_Programming> so instead of getting "bear" it would get 'eaker'
[18:07]<Craig> Oooooh!
[18:07]<@BC_Programming> and then THAT would update the last position, so when the other thread calls it again, it get's something wrong too!
[18:07]<Craig> So if the two threads arent exactly the same, the feed back may get broken due to the comma's in the info?
[18:08]<@BC_Programming> it's more a case of the threads sharing information
[18:08]<@BC_Programming> right now it's a single function and a single variable... what it should be is a thread-local variable so there is a separate copy for every thread
[18:08]<Craig> Alright, I think I get the basics of it, :)
[18:08]<Craig> So he probably had it looping in on itself to protect the multi thread?
[18:08]<Craig> Right>?
[18:08]<@BC_Programming> though really the best way to fix the problem is the learn how to do proper string manipulation using C# instead of trying to write BASIC in C# haha
[18:09] * KindOne (KindOne@mib-80A60AC1.dynamic.ip.windstream.net) has joined #glitchpc
[18:09]<Craig> hahahaha :P
[18:09]<Craig> .... who is KindOne seriously... :P
[18:10]<Craig> So what did they think of your solution that you were working on a day or so ago?
[18:10]<Craig> The report handler I think it was?
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> Nobody has really said anything
[18:11]<Craig> Ah,
[18:11]<Craig> Probably need to look it over,
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> Nah we're moving on now
[18:11]<Craig> What did they say about you finishing it before even starting work :P
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> or do you mean the Java one
[18:11]<Craig> The Java one
[18:11]<@BC_Programming> I never told them
[18:11]<Craig> OH hahahaha
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> I'm going to start using BCJobClock to try to record my hours more accurately
[18:12]<Craig> Hahahah, thats awesome, and funny ;P
[18:12]<Craig> Good idea though
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> because right now I'm guessing and I think I'm undershooting
[18:12]<@BC_Programming> because for some reason I never count when I work on it in the early AM
[18:13]<Craig> Yeah I read your post on facebook, and I REALLY wanted to say that you should count exact hours, you're worth it man, and you deserve it.
[18:13]<@BC_Programming> the weird thing is
[18:13]<Craig> I have the same issue sometimes, I have a hard time charging the customer for work sometimes.
[18:14]<jamer> craig likes the challenge
[18:14]<Craig> :P
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> when the lead dev was helping me learn the system they have and filling in the timesheets
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> I put in 12
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> because it was like 4PM and I had been up since 4AM
[18:14]<Craig> Hahahha
[18:14]<@BC_Programming> and he didn't say anything
[18:15]<jamer> lol
[18:15]<Craig> Well if you were working from home (Which can be implied at times) he probably assumed you were working at home.
[18:15]<@BC_Programming> though for the next project memo he put "this <shouldn't> take too long, but if you finish feel free to relax until Thurs."
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> because of how much I put in the day before
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> and then there is the case of
[18:16]<Craig> Seriously?
[18:16]<Craig> Thats cool, and intreaging
[18:16]<Craig> ... spell check, I really need you... :P
[18:16]<@BC_Programming> it's a very loose company in terms of hours
[18:17]<@BC_Programming> Everybody is on and off at seemingly random times
[18:17]<Craig> hahaha nice
[18:17]<Craig> that would make life a little confusing for me. :P
[18:17]<@BC_Programming> well they aren't truly random
[18:17]<@BC_Programming> they just seem random until you realize each one is actually consistent
[18:17]<Craig> Oh?
[18:18]<Craig> Ahhh :p
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> that is they each have their own times
[18:18]<Craig> hahaha so normal per person, but random as a whole. :P
[18:18]<@BC_Programming> for skype there is pretty much always one or two other people online and active
[18:18]<Craig> Cool,
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> Did I mention they wanted my Updater, or at least want me to try to make something similar for their stuff?
[18:19]<Craig> Really?
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> yeah
[18:19]<@BC_Programming> let me see if I can find the msg
[18:19]<Craig> Your updater for code? To update your software on a persons computer?
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> no theirs
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> their customers are companies, and they need to have the latest version of all the parts of the suite
[18:22]<@BC_Programming> but right now they will refuse to update and then complain about things that have since been fixed
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> I mean the updater form I use for my Programs
[18:23]<@BC_Programming> like right now BASeBlock uses it to see if there is a new version on my website
[18:24]<Craig> Right, thats what I was refering too. :)
[18:24]<Craig> Thats freaking awesome!
[18:24]<@BC_Programming> When he started to talk about future work we needed and updaters and stuff
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> I said I made an updater for my applications and posted a screengrab
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> Response was:
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> nice
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> when that project comes up we'll keep that in mind and find a way to compensate you for having a good start.
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> assuming you can put that code to commercial use
[18:25]<Craig> ... good start... psha.
[18:25]<@BC_Programming> It would have to be changed quite a bit I think
[18:27]<Craig> Oh yeah? :P
[18:27]<Craig> oh... :P
[18:27]<@BC_Programming> I think so
[18:28]<+camerongray> Hey Craig
[18:28]<Craig> Hey Cam
[18:28]<+camerongray> Guess what I now own :D
[18:28]<@BC_Programming> though I guess it depends what we intend to do with it, I don't really know what they plan
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> the weird thing is, they really have ONE application, but for some reason it's separated out into like 40 other actual programs that interoperate by simply launching each other, which I think is pretty silly
[18:29]<@BC_Programming> I mean that's the way to do it on Linux but this is a windows application... Microsoft Word doesn't launch another program to show a print preview...
[18:30]<@BC_Programming> camerongray: A bagpipe?
[18:30]<+camerongray> Hahah
[18:30]<+camerongray> Don't tempt me :P
[18:30]<Craig> New Kilt?
[18:30]<+camerongray> lol, only have one for life :P
[18:30]<@BC_Programming> a Scottish to English Dictionary?
[18:30]<Craig> That does seem kinda silly there BC.
[18:30]<+camerongray> haha
[18:31]<Craig> BAhahahahahaha nice one BC_Programming
[18:31]<+camerongray> Now bagpipes would annoy the neighbours - So loud!
[18:31]<+camerongray> Hint, it's computer related :P
[18:31]<@BC_Programming> but if they complained you'd need a dictionary to translate!
[18:31]<+camerongray> haha
[18:31]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[18:31]<@BC_Programming> I want to say
[18:31]<+camerongray> You already know :P
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> oh
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> well I've clearly forgotten
[18:32]<+camerongray> IBM XT :D
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> ahh
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> oh did that arrive then? or was it a bid
[18:32]<Craig> Oh sheesh.. :P
[18:32]<+camerongray> Arrived today
[18:32]<+camerongray> And think I fixed it
[18:32]<@BC_Programming> welcome to the world of tomorrow
[18:33]<@BC_Programming> computers are the future man
[18:33]<+camerongray> There was a short between +12v and ground on the board causing the PSU to shut off
[18:33]<+camerongray> Cut the +12v cable to the board (Only for some ISA cards) and it worked!
[18:33]<+camerongray> Then found a bad capacitor causing the short so just desoldered that and will replace it if I ever get an ISA card that needs +12v
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> uh
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> isn't +12 for motors?
[18:34]<Craig> Bahahahahaa
[18:34]<+camerongray> Yeah, only cut it off to the motherboard
[18:34]<@BC_Programming> oh gotcha
[18:34]<+camerongray> I think it's there just if someone wanted it on an ISA card
[18:34]<+camerongray> Only one or two use it
[18:34]<+camerongray> Not got the VGA card yet but I assume it works
[18:35]<Craig> ISA cards used to be used to power things as well.
[18:35]<+camerongray> Like it POST beeps (And gives an error code e.g. no video card if I remove the card), Floppy seeks and Ctrl+Alt+Del makes it reboot
[18:35]<+camerongray> So seems working to me
[18:35]<Craig> hahahaha
[18:35]<Craig> why did you get this?
[18:35]<+camerongray> Because it's cool :P
[18:36]<+camerongray> Doubt the HDD works though, it spins fine but probably can;t read
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> pin 9 is the +12, so you can see if a card needs it by seeing of the pin is there
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> pin 9 counting from the case side
[18:36]<+camerongray> Yeah, one of them does but since I don't know what that card even does it's no big deal
[18:36]<@BC_Programming> PICTURES
[18:36]<Craig> Bahahaha
[18:37]<+camerongray> Will do
[18:37]<+camerongray> Well, pictures of bits :P
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> I'm imagining you there with a camera
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> taking pictures
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> "Yes... yes you are a sexy computer"
[18:38]<@BC_Programming> "beep for me"
[18:38]<Craig> BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHHAHAAA
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> also funny story
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> I learned how to use XML with linq in like 20 seconds in C# and I've never done it before
[18:39]<Craig> Nice
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> It's freakin easy too
[18:39]<Craig> You and I would be a crazy pair, me on hardware, you on software :p
[18:39]<@BC_Programming> we'd have our own sitcom
[18:40]<Craig> I built my first PFSense box the other day, its awesome router software, still need to do the physical switchout. :P
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> also I posted a link to my site for some reason, or mentioned it
[18:40]<@BC_Programming> and they said "wow your site get's quite a bit of views"
[18:41]<Craig> On what?
[18:41]<Craig> Ahh
[18:41]<@BC_Programming> skype, sorry
[18:41]<Craig> :P
[18:41]<Craig> How did they know the number of views?
[18:44]<@BC_Programming> it's at the bottom of each blog post
[18:45]<Craig> What did they think of your blog designs?
[18:46]<@BC_Programming> I didn't ask for reviews :P
[18:46]<Craig> Dude, networking! :P
[18:46]<Craig> hahaha
[18:47]<@BC_Programming> oh I remember what it was, he asked if I had done any web programming
[18:47]<Craig> What do you think of this for a router? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165493&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-homepage-_-na-_-na&AID=10606701&PID=4897915
[18:47]<@BC_Programming> so I gave a link to my downloads page
[18:47]<Craig> HAHAHAHAH NIce
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> hmm
[18:48]<@BC_Programming> I think I might install Visual Studio 2013 on my desktop
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> makin ppl jelly
[18:49]<Craig> :P
[18:49]<Craig> Yeah, your vindictive. :P
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> heh he asked what 2012 offers over 2010 express
[18:49]<Craig> And?
[18:49]<@BC_Programming> all I could come up with shortly was "it has a dark theme"
[18:49]<Craig> BAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> I mean there are a huge number of other things, but I've used it long enough that I don't even remember what it was like without them
[18:50]<@BC_Programming> primarily, the non-express versions let me use Resharper which is too awesome to go without
[18:52]<Craig> :P You should show that to them. :P
[18:53]<+camerongray> Pics! http://postimg.org/image/kv113hi3r/
[18:53]<Craig> Took you long enoguh :p
[18:53]<+camerongray> lol
[18:53]<+camerongray> Was soldering the PSU cable again
[18:53]<+camerongray> Need to go and get electrical tape tomorrow
[18:53]<@BC_Programming> you owe Craig an apology, we had to have a conversation
[18:53]<Craig> WOW... thats older than me!
[18:53]<Craig> :P
[18:53]<Craig> almost. :p
[18:54]<+camerongray> hahaha, just read that bit about me taking the photo :P
[18:54]<Craig> You mean BC, that we were having a conversation. :P
[18:54]<@BC_Programming> only one picture?
[18:54]<+camerongray> lol
[18:54]<+camerongray> I'll get more once it's all clean :P
[18:54]<Craig> ... He's right camerongray, only one photo?
[18:55]<Craig> hahahaha :p
[18:55]<@BC_Programming> I wanna see the mystery card
[18:55]<Craig> I wanna see all the connectors.
[18:55]<+camerongray> "ASYNC Card"
[18:55] * Tux2 (Tux2@mib-FE42C1B7.hlrn.qwest.net) has joined #glitchpc
[18:55] * ChanbotVII sets mode: +v Tux2
[18:55]<Craig> Hey Tux, have you come to inform camerongray of his card types?
[18:56]<+camerongray> lol
[18:56]<Craig> ... seriously one picture?
[18:56]<+camerongray> From left to right - "ASYNC Card", Floppy controller, HDD controller, MDA Video/Printer card
[18:56]<@BC_Programming> ASYNC is serial
[18:57]<+camerongray> Ahh
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> well at a guess
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> you could just look at the connectors heh
[18:57]<+camerongray> Looks like serial yeah
[18:57]<Craig> :P hahahaha, see, thats what I was saying! :P
[18:57]<+camerongray> Also in the top left - 500gb HDD on the left, 10mb HDD on the right!
[18:57]<Craig> Could also be Speciality DB9.
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> DB15
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> no no
[18:57]<@BC_Programming> 25
[18:58]<@BC_Programming> that was the other serial connector
[18:58]<+camerongray> Also, that keyboard is included!
[18:58]<Craig> :P Probably 25,
[18:58]<Craig> Nice
[18:58]<Craig> I wonder if that computer could even see a 1GB drive?
[18:58]<Craig> let alone 500MB
[18:59]<Craig> Hey Tux2, you think this is a good case? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165493&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-homepage-_-na-_-na&AID=10606701&PID=4897915
[18:59]<+camerongray> Looks nice!
[18:59]<+camerongray> No hotswap though
[18:59]<Craig> I want to use it for my router.
[19:00]<Craig> Yeah it has one hotswap.
[19:00]<+camerongray> Oh yeah
[19:00]<Craig> 3.5 bay though
[19:00]<Craig> I want to go 2.5
[19:02] * noob (Mibbit@4D7BC218.93FB2C1F.2D7B9E27.IP) has joined #glitchpc
[19:02]<noob> !players
[19:02]<noob> !players
[19:03] * noob is now known as Guest8871
[19:03] * Guest8871 (Mibbit@4D7BC218.93FB2C1F.2D7B9E27.IP) has left #glitchpc
[19:03]<Craig> !players
[19:03]<Craig> ..? What is the point of that?
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> does it do something?
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> !players
[19:06]<@BC_Programming> awww
[19:06]<Craig> no... :P
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> hmm I have no idea how to connect to the company VPN on win7
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> win8*
[19:19]<@BC_Programming> the VPN connection window is all like "Provider:" and I'm all like wtf is that
[19:28]<+Tux2> Craig: it's quite basic
[19:31]<Craig> What do you mean tux?
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> uh yeah I'm a bit confused also
[19:31]<+Tux2> <Craig> Hey Tux2, you think this is a good case? http://www.newegg.ca/Product/Product.aspx?Item=N82E16811165493&nm_mc=AFC-C8junctionCA&cm_mmc=AFC-C8JunctionCA-_-homepage-_-na-_-na&AID=10606701&PID=4897915
[19:31]<@BC_Programming> ahh context is everything :)
[19:32]<Craig> Ahh,
[19:32]<+Tux2> lol, yeah
[19:32]<+Tux2> sorry, I was busy when you posted that
[19:32]<Craig> Its supposed to be basic, its a PFSense Router. :)
[19:32]<+Tux2> lol, hey, for me, if it does the job, it works
[19:32]<Craig> Yup :)
[19:32]<Craig> The current case is not rack mountable :P
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> I know I've said this already
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> but I am SOO STOKED
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> Here I am
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> workin in C#
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> the same thing I do in my spare time
[19:34]<@BC_Programming> but gettin paid for it
[19:35]<Craig> Hehe, I know how you feel BC. :P
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> I guess it WAS just like a said a year or so ago... things'll get worse, but then they will get better
[19:36]<@BC_Programming> looks like I'm on the uphill
[19:36]<Craig> :)
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> :D-\-<
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> :D-/-<
[19:38]<@BC_Programming> ^ Dancing
[20:42]<+camerongray> Wow - This '86 Model M is the best I've used yet!
[20:42]<+camerongray> Missing the little legs though so will need to buy them for a whole $1!
[20:43]<+camerongray> Somehow feels a bit more tactile than my other one!
[20:44]<@BC_Programming> does it have a date on the bottom?
[20:47]<+camerongray> It's worn off :( But it's an '86 machine and this version of the M was introduced in '86
[20:47]<@BC_Programming> from the pic it looked like a AT layout
[20:47]<+camerongray> They have a second "Birth certificate" inside though so can check that, just need the fancy screwdriver
[20:48]<+camerongray> Ahh, XTs started with the Model F but later switched with the Model M
[20:48]<@BC_Programming> I guess models G through L were failures
[20:48]<+camerongray> lol!
[20:49]<+camerongray> Trying my other Model M on the XT - I *think* it works
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> I think XTs used a different Keyboard protocol
[20:49]<+camerongray> In the sense I can do Ctrl+Alt+Del and it restarts
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> than ATs that is
[20:49]<+camerongray> Yeah they did, some model Ms can switch
[20:49]<@BC_Programming> I remember my old keyboard had an AT/XT switch
[20:49]<+camerongray> Typing this on the XT's keyboard hooked up to my new PC over PS/2 :P
[20:50]<+camerongray> The actual cables are interchangable so I just hooked up the XT to the SDL to PS/2 cable and off it goes
[20:51]<+camerongray> Is it safe to say that if Ctrl+Alt+Del works the keyboard is understanding the XT protocol?
[20:54]<+camerongray> Someone reported a 1991 Model M worked so that's hopeful as my other one is older at 1989
[20:55]<@BC_Programming> hmm I think so
[20:55]<@BC_Programming> I remember when I had my 286 (AT) if I switched it didn't work at all
[20:57]<@BC_Programming> lol on FB my cousin said "I f***ing hate hashtags" so I replied with #agreement
[21:03]<+camerongray> hahah
[21:04]<@BC_Programming> talk about mixed messages haha
[21:54]<Craig> Bahahaha Nice

---

Session Start: Fri Aug 23 23:30:18 2013 Session Ident: #glitchpc [23:30] * Now talking in #glitchpc
[23:30] * Topic is 'Welcome to #glitchpc chat. Profanity, trolls, and impersonation are not welcome here. Street1 has become a Silent Keyboard. http://www.legacy.com/obituaries/savannah/obituary.aspx?page=lifestory&pid=139870551'
[23:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +a
[23:30] * ChanServ sets mode: +o ChanbotVII
[23:33]<Craig> BC_Programming could you test my site again?
[23:33]<@BC_Programming> timeout
[23:33]<Craig> dang
[23:33]<Craig> one moment
[23:35]<Craig> can you do it again
[23:37]<@BC_Programming> still times out
[23:37]<Craig> Thanks, one moment
[23:39]<Craig> Ok, try once more, http://www.brokedcomputer.com
[23:47]<Craig> Hey BC_Programming wanna give that one more try
[23:48]<@BC_Programming> timeout
[23:51]<Zuwer> And THEN realizes the ethernet cable isn't plugged in. :x
[23:52]<Craig> no...
[23:53]<Craig> http://www.brokedcomputer.com <- I have removed all my other rules trying to get this...
[23:53]<@BC_Programming> huh?
[23:54]<Craig> Could you test again? :P
[23:54]<@BC_Programming> I did
[23:54]<@BC_Programming> it times out
[23:54]<Craig> oh :P
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> C:\Users\BC_Programming>ping www.brokedcomputer.com
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> Pinging www.brokedcomputer.com [184.71.199.202] with 32 bytes of data:
[23:56]<@BC_Programming> Request timed out.
[23:56]<Craig> Sorry one moment.
[23:56]<Craig> I am reading the manual. :P
[23:56]<Craig> Or, RTFM'ing
[23:57]<Zuwer> Interesting slogan, it is ALWAYS the user.
[23:57]<Craig> :P hahahah
[23:59]<Zuwer> Also, wouldn't it be "its" not "it's"?